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Mothers and Mediums

One of the debts we owe our parents when we grow up, if we grow up, is to embrace and love them unconditionally, just as they did us. Some parents, of course, do not deserve this as they were abusive, neglectful or just down-right mean. But most moms and dads tried to do their best, and that’s really all we can ask for.

By extension, this love and acceptance is given to siblings, too, although I should say 99.9% probably do not deserve it for the trespasses committed in their youth. I had to forgive my brother for locking himself into my bedroom and reading my diary out loud, page by page, while I kicked and screamed on the other side of the door. But I did learn after that to hide my sh*t really well, including my toothbrush, which he also took liberties with (I won’t go into the gross details).

So when my mother and brother and his somewhat new wife wanted to come down for my kid’s graduation, I was, of course, touched. I knew, however, that their visit had the potential to be a bumpy ride.

If you’re the only outlier in your family, the only one who doesn’t believe in spirits and magic, warring super-powers and the glorious final destination called heaven, then you know it’s hard to relate and even harder to get close to your family. There is always a chasm, a gap, where you know and they know that the language they use is not recognized by you. You see the glances, and you know what they mean. They mean, “Tread lightly. We have a nonbeliever in our midst.” And you tread lightly, too. Where you want to say, “That’s the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard.” You just say nothing instead because one of the things you learned when you grew up was that arguing about religion is like trying to get a kid to stop sucking his thumb. Or worse. People are attached to their religious beliefs as they are attached to any other addiction. And like any other addiction, the ones who suffer are often those who do not share the addiction.

But I digress. This post was meant to talk about something more specific: mediums. On the drive home from the airport after picking up the crew, my newish sister-in-law had tried to form an unlikely alliance. She asked: What did I think about my brother and my mother visiting a medium? But her reasons and my reasons for the distaste of theses purveyors of the occult were opposite. She thinks mediums are agents of the devil, and I think mediums make fools out of people while taking their money. Yes, my mother, in her grief over my father’s death, had gone to see a psychic (or two), accompanied by my brother who has always believed in the abilities of mortals to communicate with the dead.

Now. My mother knew that my father was skeptical about God and religion and the afterlife. And I’ve told her, if Dad had this thing called a spirit that could communicate, why the hell would he speak through some freak lady in the swamps of Florida? Why not just talk directly to the woman he loved? But she had already been hooked by these scammers, by the generic crumbs they throw to grieving wives, mothers and fathers. “Your loved one is happy. He wants you to take that trip. When you see pennies, he has dropped them from heaven.”

And while it irritates me to no end to know that these people are capitalizing off my mother’s grief, I also know that these are her wishes. This is the way she is coping with the death of the only man she had ever loved, the man who swore to protect her to the end, the man who had abandoned her before her end. She has the money to spend–or waste–as she chooses.

It was not until she asked me what I thought that I offered up my views, respectfully, ending with: “But if it brings you comfort….” She was going to see a medium anyway, regardless of what I thought of the whole not-so-funny business.

So just as our parents accept our imaginary friends and our security blankets as necessary implements in childhood, we also have to accept the things they need for grieving or for growing old. Shaming our parents or close family for their beliefs would only make the chasm between us deeper, further. Ultimately, when we return to the state of nothingness from which we came, none of this will have mattered. These issues are entirely moot.

For those of you with family who believe differently than you about God and/or religion, I would love to hear your experiences. If you’re on the other side as a believer, how do you deal with people like us?

VBS

A fellow blogger and nonbeliever has a dilemma. I’d like to pose his question to our community since I know that not all will agree with my answer and may be able to offer alternative ideas for Jason. The same solution does not work for everyone.

Jason writes about the Vacation Bible School (VBS) dilemma for his 6-year-old here. His wife thinks it’s harmless for their daughter to attend this summer; he thinks it’s not as innocuous as it seems, that it’s brainwashing disguised as fun. Should he allow her to go or stand his ground?

Here are my thoughts:

As many of you know from my blog, my ex-husband is Baptist and has taken my kids to church on and off for over 10 years. (My youngest was 2 and my oldest was 5 when we split.) I’d be lying if I said that it didn’t bother the hell out of me that my ex- was taking my kids to all these things when he knew I was agnostic and didn’t want to indoctrinate the kids. (My views bothered him, too, understandably.)

So I had to take a different approach since I didn’t have any input when it came to time spent with Dad. However, I think it’s worked out pretty well for us–or, at least, for how I wanted my kids to approach religion.

When they were young, my kids went to all the churchy things, including a laying on of hands for a troubled elementary school girl. (That was a real eye-opener for them.) When they came home, I’d asked them all sorts of questions. “What did you think about your experience? What did you learn? Does that make sense? Do you see any similarities in believing in God and believing in Santa, the Tooth Fairy or Unicorns? Can we have fun with characters that are make-believe (think: Mickey Mouse)? Can we scare people with things that are make-believe (think: witches and ghosts)? Do people have to believe the same things? Why or why not? How do we know what someone tells us is true? What questions do you have? Do you ever make up stories? How will your friends know if what you tell them is true or not?” These are the questions (and many more) I’ve asked over the years, and my dialogue with my kids still continues. I try to ask them more than I tell them, especially as they grow older. They don’t want me telling them what to do nor what to think.

I agree with one of Jason’s commenters–his daughter will be exposed to religion and God throughout her life. My kids certainly were. His daughter’s friends will talk to her about religion–as may teachers (a fact for us). I also think that his wife made a good point–their daughter will start learning now what this whole religion thing is about. It’s going to happen sooner or later, and if he can help her think things through now, she won’t be drawn in by its mystery or by the appeal of the occult. He can sit down with her each day after VBS and talk to her about the stories she’s learning. Tell her that, throughout history, there have been many similar tales. He could tell her (now or later) about the history of religion and how it developed: Early man used god(s) to control other men, to bring order to his world, to explain his surroundings and to calm fears, his own as well as others. Religion has been used for power and control and personal comfort. But man cannot answer the big questions it asks: How did we get here. Where are we going. Who made all this sh*t.

Most of our knowledge is hearsay anyway. So this can be a good learning experience for his daughter because it will teach her to think about what she is learning at school, too. At age 6, I don’t think that a stance either way (to go or not to go) is going to make much of a difference. Unless this VBS dilemma becomes a huge, scary issue, one that Mom and Dad argue about,  she’s not likely to have strong associations. Brainwashing is cumulative and takes many years of unchallenged indoctrination.  I think this would be a great time to start her thinking about the topic of religion.

I happen to agree with Jason that VBS is a sneaky way to slip God in on the sly–with all the friends and fun and talk of love. But I look at it this way: When his daughter starts to drive and has a permit, he’ll be there to teach and guide her. That can be true now, too: Jason can be there to guide his daughter and to prevent her from falling for religion. With his help, her destination won’t be belief; it will be understanding, knowledge and skepticism.

What are your thoughts? VBS or no VBS?

Exodus

The Southern Baptist Convention, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, will soon urge its 45,000 congregations and 16 million members to cut ties with the Scouts, according to church leaders.

Any church that plans to give up sponsorship of the Boy Scouts because of the new anti-discrimination policy should be stripped of tax-exempt status. In fact, they should be required to tithe 10% to an organization promoting tolerance and education.

I’m not going to mention that these churches are being hypocritical and judgmental and anti-Christian–and that they are setting a horrible example for all children. I’m not going to talk about how these bullies point to a select few Bible verses as the “proof” that “God” doesn’t approve of gays, yet the church is full of adulterers and women who have had sex before marriage who, according to the Bible, should be stoned.

I’m not going to say that these churches who threaten to drop Scout sponsorship miss the whole point of the Bible, of religion, of what it means to be Christian.

All I’m going to say is, as a taxpayer and citizen, I do not want to support discrimination.

Let’s take away the special tax privileges we’re giving to these churches and invest in education and green energy instead.

Glenn Beck

I couldn’t pass this up….

If I’m not mistaken, the signs of mental illness include paranoia, delusions and hallucinations. You know–believing that evil forces are conspiring against the forces of good, or thinking that you’re better than everyone else because you believe in an “invisible guy in the sky.”

In this interview with Glenn Beck, we learn that Beck thinks Wolf Blitzer was involved in a plot to promote atheism. Because, as some of my FB friends say, “CNN is an atheist network!!”

Although Beck acknowledges that he really does like atheists, he thinks that Christians need to “prove that they were better.”

What the heck? Did he stick out his tongue after that Christian-elitist comment?

Beck says, “Have I done anything this week, have you done anything that would make anyone say, ‘Wow, what is it about them? I want to be like that. I want to be able to provide hope to others in dark times,’” the radio host said. “If you haven’t done anything different than what an atheist can do this week then your light is not shining very bright at all.”

And what exactly can a Christian do that an atheist can’t? Well, we can’t tell stories about made up super-heroes or horned bad guys and swear that they’re the truth and nothing but the truth. We can’t pretend that we’re super-duper special and that God has orchestrated a life of joy for us now and one for us later. We can’t lie to our friends and tell them that God’s going to take care of them.

Because he’s not. We are. We take care of each other. We don’t think we’re any “better” than the next guy or gal. We all have equal animal status. And we don’t think the forces of evil are having their way with CNN.

But the funniest part of this interview was the Forrest Gump-like truth that spilled from Beck’s mouth:

“Because, quite honestly, if there is no difference, I mean, wouldn’t you rather stay at home on Sunday? Wouldn’t you rather just go ahead and just do what you wanted to do and not listen to some invisible guy in the sky?”

Yes, we would.  I bet Mr. Beck would, too, and if he’s like a lot of his fellow church-goers, he’ll only make it on Christmas and Easter anyway.

If the only difference between staying home and going to church on Sunday is “listening” to some “invisible guy in the sky,” then what’s the point? I don’t think that invisible guy is going to talk to him either. At least non-believers are at home doing something. We’re seeing and listening to real people.

Now, how exactly do Christians prove they are better?

Evangelizing

Wow. There’s just so much to write about these days. Let’s start here: Someone (thanks, Mel!) sent me a link to this story about Daryl Banther and his 8-year-old son. The poor guy. He just wanted to hand out pamphlets and religion “surveys” to unsuspecting festival-goers in Georgia. But the cops chased him away.

Now he’s considering suing the city of Ringgold, GA, because, as he says, “I have rights…They’ve taken all the Christian rights away.” He used the example of an atheist at a football game. If the atheist doesn’t like the prayer being said, “they can get it taken out of the football game.”

Of course, if they were praying to Allah at a football game, we know he’d be the first one on the ground, throwing a hissy. He just doesn’t get it.

What evangelicals fail to understand is that their beliefs are personal.  Hello. Like a favorite football team. Like a favorite restaurant. Like a favorite brand of deodorant. I don’t want him rubbing his deodorant on me or my kids. (I know, eeeew.) I bet you don’t either.

Thing is, he’s not really doing any harm. Not really. He’s more of just a pest, like a fruit fly, only bigger and hairier and waaay more annoying.

This whole situation is funny to people like us: the guy wants an apology. And he’s gonna come back, whether we like it or not. He thinks he should be allowed to pedal God. In a way, I agree with him. But there’s an appropriate time and place for that. He can stand in his own yard and do that, though if he were my neighbor, I’d have to move. Hell, we all, as tax-payers, even provide him with a place to meet with fellow “persecuted” Christians: his church. They can stand in front of their church and wave folks in like the wacky wavy-arm guy.

But here’s what is really sad: This guy and his kid have been conditioned to believe it’s not only their right, but their duty to pimp for the divine trifecta. And he can’t understand anything else. You’ve seen that illusion of a young and the old lady, right? Well, some people, no matter how hard they look, they can only see the old lady, not the young one. Or vise versa. Their brains are just stuck in one gear. Is that his fault?

Do we lock this guy up for being an almighty dumb-*ss or do we have a little sympathy for the poor fool and the son he’s raising?  Hmmm.

The Big Day

Today is the big day. My younger kid has a motocross race that he’s been anticipating for weeks.

You should know now that I hate that he races. I never watch. I can’t.

I wake up all night long the day before, terrified, thinking of all the possible ways he could get hurt–or worse. I lay there, tossing and turning, hoping that tomorrow night, I’ll get a more restful sleep once the day’s races are over and my kid is safely in his bed.

That’s when I think of my grandmother. When I’d visit her, I’d wake up early in the morning to find her sitting quietly in a darkened living room with her rosary in her hand. She was praying for her children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Praying was her way of finding solace for all those worries that keep you and I awake at night, of sharing the emotional burdens of life, even if the person she was sharing with only existed in her head.

I’d sit down beside her, and she’d pat my leg and whisper, “How you doing, Deb?” She was so sweet and vulnerable and full of love. Having children is a privilege, she’d always say, and then she’d go on to tell me about the three perfect girls she’d had, how they never gave her trouble–not once–because there’s nothing better than time and distance to erase the fine lines and flaws of childhood. Most memories, like a Monet, are better from afar.

I’d sit with her until she was done saying her rosary, her mouth moving silently. Though I never said them anymore, I still, if I didn’t think too hard, could recite the Our Father’s and the Hail Mary’s. I didn’t tell her that I was no longer a believer, had not been for more years than I had been one. She just assumed that I was like so many other Catholics of my generation who stopped going to church but still held to their faith. Sort of.

But that peace she found in her rosary, that exchange of saying prayers for God’s attention to the welfare and safety of people you love, I get that. You and I don’t have a rosary. We’re acutely aware that our kids are at the mercy of others, of nature and of luck, both good and bad. Trusting the wrong person or being in the wrong place at the wrong time could have catastrophic implications. We worry for our kids, who have so little fear, if any, who just see themselves as indestructible super-heroes in one giant playhouse. They have a self-image that is much bigger and much stronger than it should be.

So, we worry. And like praying, worrying is futile. But it is the exchange we offer up to the universe, hoping that, if we think and fret about every possible thing that could go wrong, that will somehow be a prophylactic against it happening.

Charting an atheist roadmap-by LT

     Lance Thruster (or LT as some of us call him) is guest blogger today. Most of you already know him through the comment section. He’s written an interesting post with some additional links below. I look forward to the discussion.
     Atheists have no atheist pope or canonized atheist bible. Freethought is by its very nature “buffet style.” It’s an interesting aspect of non-belief that supposedly in order to counter what is seen by us as misplaced/incorrect belief by the religionists, we are expected to have some sort of ‘solution’ in place as a substitute, as if that is what is required beforehand to oust baseless interpretations of reality. I’d rather be a trailblazer and chart my own course than be compelled to use a ‘map’ of questionable veracity (and by ‘questionable’ I mean wrong and logically inconsistent).
     Sometimes it seems the solution is to work towards a better or more accurate ‘road map’ however incomplete that task is at any given time, and not to treat some claim of ‘revealed knowledge’ as an inerrant guide to life when in reality it might have no more application to our existence than a child’s treasure map on the back of a diner placemat.
     The Age of Enlightenment began a process that broke free of the stranglehold that religious irrationalism had fettered humanity with for some time. Religionists get angry that not every decision human society makes is done by consulting their revealed knowledge texts (though far too many are), but then no one seems traumatized that astrologers are not consulted in making those same decisions either. The rationalist approach doesn’t guarantee progress or that things will get better, but I do feel it is the star by which to steer our ship.
     I’d be interested in your reactions/thoughts on these articles that have appeared on salon.com, many of them quite recently. To see others you might find interesting, type “atheist” or “atheism” in their search field and see what comes up.
Claim that atheists don’t know enough about the religion they criticize –
http://www.salon.com/2009/04/28/terry_eagleton/
A little about LT:

I am a university staff member who was raised Catholic and become an atheist somewhere in my mid 20′s. The late Prof. Paul Kurtz was my inspiration to become involved in freethought and church/state separation issues as a member of the Council for Secular Humanism and Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
I’d like to thank Deborah for allowing me to guest post on her site. She has done a wonderful job of creating a community for freethinkers to discuss the many facets of godlessness.

God, The Enabler

First, I decided just to be upfront about who I am. After all these years, no more hiding. If this blog is simply a meeting place for all of us to discuss our thoughts and beliefs about religion and God, then I should be free to reveal my identity–and you should, too. My family and friends call me Deborah, Deb, Debbie. Call me what you like. I’m even changing my avatar. It’s the real me.

Second, make no mistake. Belief in God does make a parent’s job easier. It just does. Not better, just easier. You defer punishment to an imagined power that is mightier than you, and you harness the fear of this imaginary deity. I remember, to mold my behavior, my grandmother used to tell me, “God is watching you!,” and the trepidation that those words brought. Would he slap the sh*t out of me with his giant hand or was he making a list of all my naughty thoughts and behaviors, which would then be read on judgment day?

Ridiculous, right?

Then, like many of you, I grew up and out of my belief. And I realize now that religion is the lazy man’s way of child-rearing. There is a pre-existing moral structure in place. Honor your father and mother. Do not lie. Do not steal. Do not commit adultery. Of course we know these dictates don’t work for sh*t because the person you’re answering to isn’t a real person. It’s God, the figment created in a child’s head and nurtured through childhood by the consumers of religion. When these consumers grow older and become adult shareholders, the savvy, manipulative ones, stretch and pull and fit that God to their individual needs.

If you read the article on CNN this morning about Mark Sanford, you know that he’s proof that the god-system of child rearing is ineffectual. He makes a mockery of the whole business. He said,

I want to acknowledge a God not just of second chances but third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth chances, because that is the reality of our shared humanity,” Sanford said at his victory celebration after defeating his Democratic opponent, Elizabeth Colbert Busch. “I am one imperfect man saved by God’s grace.”

How convenient. His god forgives him. Again. And again. Like many folks, Sanford’s an addict and his god, the enabler. That’s the reality. Sanford knows that he’ll be forgiven as many times as he needs it. And God doesn’t even exact a punishment. Instead, he rewards him. “Saves” him, whatever the heck that means. How does Sanford know that he’s been saved? Did God tattoo a stamp on his derriere ‘SAVED!”?  Or does he just know he’s saved because he’s won the race and he’s in his happy place? (The answer is the latter.)

I’m curious. What kind of God or parent or judge or half-decent role model would lay down a law, and then allow a man to commit the same offense over and over and over, walking on others, breaking hearts, lying to and deceiving those who trust him? Saved by God’s grace? Hell, Sanford is laughing all the way to the seat he won in the House. You’ve got to think that a man who is capable of running for office and winning in spite of his offenses, is also capable of seeing the ruse of religion. He must know that painting an image of himself as a weak man humbled by the almighty will only endear him to his slumbering, god-fearing voters.

Let’s imagine for a minute that you or I were God. I would not forgive people like Sanford so quickly. In this sense, I am more judgmental than a Christian. Sanford broke his promises, he misrepresented himself. He didn’t just lie once. He proved he was a liar. He didn’t just cheat once. He proved he was a cheater–in and out of the bedroom. Imagine the time and energy it took to deceive his wife, his family and every other person who trusted him. Can he be rehabilitated? Maybe, but he’d have to show signs of improvement (not breaking the law again and trespass on his ex-wife’s property). He’d have to do the hard work of making amends with the people he has betrayed–not with the imaginary characters living in his head, which costs him nothing in time, energy or money.

Being honest and faithful takes a bit of work. You have to say no temptation. You have to give up what you want for the greater good or for ideals. We all have to do it. And we know all of this when we decide to make a commitment and hunker down with one person. We give our word. Not God’s word. Not the word of some imaginary wizard living in the forest. If we break our word, we betray ourselves, and that should be one of the worst offenses of all because we have no way of making an honest connection with anyone. This is what nonbelievers know. We are accountable only to the people who live and breathe on this planet, to others and ourselves–not to an imaginary father figure.

I’m not trying to pick on one person. I’m only trying to show how religion and belief in God doesn’t make us better as a people. In raising our kids without religion, we teach them right from wrong. We teach them to internalize their morality. Do the right thing. Be your word. Keep your promises. This takes more effort. We have to stay on our kids. Watch them. Talk to them. Make them pay for their offenses. Go behind and check up on them. We don’t just round them up and take them to church for their lessons in morality once or twice a week. We don’t just tell them, “God forgives you” when they’ve done something wrong. We tell them, you have to be forgiven by those you’ve offended. You have to pay. Sometimes you will never be forgiven. Sometimes, you will not be able to forgive yourself. You will fall, but you must get back up and take a different path. Learn from your mistakes. Try, as best you can, to change. Otherwise, you’re no better than the religious, on their knees, asking for god’s forgiveness once again, for the same offense.

We are free to make own choices, but that freedom comes with costs and responsibilities. For nonbelievers, no imaginary man will forgive our offenses and wipe our conscious’ clean. We have to live with our consequences. The reality of our shared humanity is that, we are all imperfect. No one saves us but ourselves.

Who’s in the closet?

Just a quick post this morning to vent.

I know a few of you probably read the CNN article this morning, “When Christians Become a Hated Minority.” And you were probably wondering, since when did Christians become a minority and who said anything about hate?

We don’t “hate” Christians. We just want them to keep their mouths closed. Big difference.

The behavior–the sin, if you will–that we don’t like Christians committing is that they’ve made themselves the morality police. Take for example, this quote:

Bryan Litfin, a theology professor at Moody Bible Institute in Illinois, says Christians should be able to publicly say that God designed sex to take place within a marriage between a man and a woman.

Mr. Litfin thinks that his God should be our God. He fails to understand that this magical imaginary man should not be making the rules and moral proclamations for the rest of the country. If Christians want to talk about how evil __________________(fill in the blank) is, I don’t have a problem with that. They just need to keep it inside their religious homes and places of worship. The rest of us don’t want to hear it.

When it comes to my neighbor’s sexual preference it’s none of my business. Unless he’s harming someone or engaging in sexual acts with a 12-year-old or his dog, I don’t give a damn what the hell he does. It’s not. my. business.

Isn’t it enough that we, as taxpayers, subsidize their churches so that they can preach whatever they want amongst themselves? Shouldn’t that be enough of a forum?

You and I probably find this comment ironic:

The reluctance of evangelicals to speak out against homosexuality is often cited as proof they are being forced into the closet.

Isn’t it funny that some Christian folks think that they are “in the closet” because it’s no longer acceptable to make gays feel ashamed of being gay? Many of us have been in the closet for a while, and I haven’t noticed any Christians in here. Have you?

There’s probably a reason why they feel funny about disclosing their views on homosexuality–and it’s not because they’re hiding in any closet. Discrimination is not OK, no matter what it’s dressed up as. They can no longer whip gays with god’s belt.

Nice Christians

This is why we have so much polarization between believers and nonbelievers. Not one person who comments regularly on this blog, believer or not, has used this kind of language. Britney, from Ashburn, Virginia, decided to insert herself into this conversation. She wants to show us how a true believer behaves. I could have deleted her comment and sent her a private email at her Hotmail address, but I thought her message to us is important.

It’s a shame that she gives her fellow Christians such a bad rap, but people like Britney need to coexist peacefully with those who don’t believe. She does not represent her fellow believers well.  I sure hope she isn’t passing along her intolerance to children….

She writes:

You ungrateful dog woman.How can you be so ungrateful to God who made you, although you are a disgusting and stupid creature, and speak against Him..at least be tankful for your existence!I’m sure you and your ugly repugnant brainless son will have a great godless future together..maybe when this idiot grows up you and him can fuck together behind your hubby’s back, you love him so much don’t you bitch, after all there is no God watching you..remember, it’s ok to curse a godless whore like you..hope you and your lover-son have a miserable life filled with terrible diseases and unimaginable suffering and that you die a nasty violent death…further that you two worms rot in HELL for eternity, bitch.May the wrath of the JUST God find you,slimy whore and remember don’t just support gay marriage, support incest too and show it by marrying & mating with your godless creature-son! And don’t forget to delete comments like these bitch, and put on only the idiotic ones…you are a nobody who deserves to die tonight! What makes you think the opinion of a nobody like you matters anyway, godless fool?